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Overcome Your Stagnant Complacency
Insights from the “Lead2Serve” Podcast
Season 5. Episode 2

Ever wondered what it truly means to serve with intention? In our latest episode, Pastor Bob and I dive deep into the heart of servant leadership. It’s about rolling up your sleeves and looking for ways to actively serve—no task too small, no effort unnoticed. It’s a journey of growth and grace.

Reflecting back on my own spiritual growth, I’m reminded that our greatest steps in ministry often begin with humble decisions. Nearly 25 years at Calvary Church have taught me that serving isn’t about titles; it’s about touching lives. Entitlement can be a danger in our mission to serve. It’s important to confront the dangers of a self-centered mindset and explore the freedom found in serving others as Jesus did. It’s time to trade entitlement for empathy.  Connection is key—not just in ministry, but in all relationships. There is a real power in listening, truly listening, to those we serve. From understanding our children to walking alongside our congregation, it’s these moments of genuine engagement that build enduring bonds. Stepping out in faith isn’t just a saying—it’s an action.

FULL TRANSCRIPT UNEDITED

Host (00:00:05) – Welcome to today’s broadcast of Lead2Serve, a Leadership podcast with Ed Taylor.

Ed (00:00:10) – Welcome again to another episode of the Lead to Serve podcast. My name is Ed Taylor. I’m the pastor here at Calvary Church in Aurora, Colorado. We’re coming up on 25 years serving here in Aurora. I grew up in Southern California. I was saved at Calvary Chapel in Downey and spent eight years there serving in a variety of different ways. And God then launched us off here in Colorado. 25 years serving here almost. It’ll be this December on what an honor it’s been. I’m your host of the Lead to Serve. It’s an idea that was in my heart for many years to record these conversations that we have around the office here all the time. These are conversations that are happen in my office or in another pastor’s office, or they happen when somebody calls our live radio broadcast, and we wanted to record them and really hone down on how to serve well, lead to serve, serve the lead. It’s a passion of mine to train men and women for ministry and for service.

Ed (00:01:14) – This is season five, episode two and I appreciate all the response to the podcast. We get calls and emails and even texts. Here’s a dedicated text line. If you have an idea for the podcast or you have feedback, you can text me directly at 720. (608) 001-2720. Area code 6080012. That’ll come right to me. I’d love to hear your feedback. I love to hear your ideas., the rest of the season, in a couple of episodes, we’re going to actually have one. That was some feedback from a brother in Southern California that Bob and I are going to talk about. So we want to integrate what’s on your mind as if it was a live calling show, but it’s not. It’s a podcast. So you can text or you can email me ed at Ed Taylor. Org make sure it’s dot org because there is a professional Santa Claus named Ed Taylor that has my domain., he owns the.com. Don’t use.com for me., Santa will not get back to you, but.

Ed (00:02:24) – And he has happens to have developed the same email address as me., but for him, it’s dot com. So for me it’s dot org., Ed and Ed Taylor. Org same thing. You can email feedback. You need any help?. Any questions? You you want us to speak into your life on a situation or whatever it might be? We’re ready to help and ready to serve. Our goal through the podcast is to help you grow in your servant leadership so that your life will glorify God and all that you do. The better servant you are, the better leader you’ll become, and the better leader you become, the more you’ll find your service unto the Lord more fruitful. So these times we’re discussing topics related to serving God, no matter what your station of life is. From senior pastor to assistant pastor to lay pastor to elder deacon, mom, dad,, boss employee doesn’t matter., these principles are across the board, applicable and in studio for season five is pastor Bob Clay camp.

Ed (00:03:24) – Welcome back again, Bob. Yeah, it’s good to be here. It’s good to have you. We had a great discussion last time on this topic of give out as much as you take in, and then we even flip that around and said, take in more than you give out. There’s an element of reading your Bible, praying every day. But I want to build the bridge because today’s topic is and really, let’s go back for a second, the the theme. Thematically, what we see developing in season five is each of the episodes are going to help you grow into a better effectiveness for the Lord. Like I always get this question how can I be more effective? How can I even measure my effectiveness? How can I even have that feeling? Not necessarily measurable, but how can I sense and feel that I’m effective? So the theme this week or this season really is growing into deeper effectiveness or skills that will help you become more usable., like like I want to be more usable.

Ed (00:04:22) – Okay. Well, number one, take in more than you give out and give out as much as you take in. And we’re talking spiritually here because you’re always praying, helping, serving, loving, caring. But are you taking in how is your prayer life, your devotional life? How is your intake of the Word of God? Are you listening to Bible studies or are you taking notes in your own church,, your own pastor, especially you pastors, because pastors think they’ve outgrown a Bible study? Because and it’s not even necessarily sinful. I don’t mean it in a negative way. But, you know, pastors, they they don’t necessarily find themselves pressing into the things of the Lord anymore because they’re overwhelmed and, you know, they’re hiding back in the green room or they’re not worshiping with the church anymore or whatever it might be, and you just don’t do that. So here’s a word. So we’re going to build the bridge into this episode. Today’s episode we’re titling look for things to do and do them.

Ed (00:05:19) – You want to be more effective, look for things to do and do them. But let’s build a bridge. Because one thing we didn’t talk about at the end of the episode last time was this sense of entitlement. Entitlement is something that will hold you back from God’s best in your life., the the the sense that you’ve arrived, that you’ve served enough, that now other people can do things, you’ve earned something kind of like,, kind of like entitlement is like the working in the world, and you have seniority, like you start in, you started an entry level position and you’ve been there for a few years and you get a promotion and then you get some titles, and then there’s new, new employees hired behind you. And they do all the grunt work. They do all the stuff because no longer do you need to do anything because you’ve earned the right to. Do you see that in Ministry lot, Bob? Not necessarily for yourself, although I’m sure we we do have to fight this ourselves.

Ed (00:06:22) – But this sense of entitlement is is a is it common? Not common.

Bob (00:06:25) – Oh, it’s totally common. And it it sneaks up. It doesn’t start so much that way. But after a while there’s so much fun. Focus on my right. I have a right to this. I have a right to that. And we end up elevating,, who we are in our own minds. You know, where the where the greatest American hero, you know, and we, we lose perspective that God has called us to be a servant. And when people ignore us after we’ve served. And there’s a reaction that, well, I can’t believe they don’t even see all the hard work I’m doing. I mean, that’s like we talked about in our last episode. That’s a light on the dash that’s telling you that your focus is on you and your rights, and there’s this entitlement that is going from small letters to big letters and. And you need to repent because your eyes are on yourself and a sin.

Ed (00:07:26) – That’s an important connection. I looked up the word while you’re talking. I looked it up just in the dictionary. And here’s one of the here’s one of the definitions for entitlement, the belief that one is inherently deserving of privileges or special treatment. And as you just described it, you, you, you describe something that’s it’s helpful to our topic in this episode. And that is if I’m looking to myself or looking to other people or looking for special privileges, I’m not looking to the Lord. And I’m also no longer looking for things to do or people to serve and then doing them. I’m it’s all about me. What are people going to do for me? And look at me, look, look what you’re not doing. Instead of like, hey, I’m here. This is how it started. What God started in the spirit is that he saved me, rescued me, radically, changed my life, and then entrusted to me the opportunity to serve him by serving people, whether it’s practical things or spiritual things.

Ed (00:08:24) – And if when I stop, this is a this is maybe that’s another theme of our season as it develops is what are the lights on the dashboard? Or here’s one when I stopped looking for things to do and people to serve and then do that, I’m in trouble. That that is, I have immediately gone backwards in what God has called me to do. I’m not. I’m looking for you to. When I look at for Bob, when I when I measure up Bob and my relationship with Bob, and all I see is what he can do for me. I’m in trouble. Yes. What kind of trouble am I in?

Bob (00:08:55) – You’re in deep weeds.

Ed (00:08:58) – I mean, what is that? What kind of trouble is somebody in when they’re just living in the entitled life as a servant of God?

Bob (00:09:04) – Well, you start using people and instead of loving people, and,, it’s what. Hey. And stubble. I don’t care what you’re doing. There’s no treasure in heaven for it. You might get things accomplished, but,, all the ministries ministry and serving the Lord has to do with people, not admin stuff.

Bob (00:09:27) – And the admin stuff is important behind the scenes, but the focus is ministering to souls. Jesus died for souls he didn’t die for. Administrative things. He died for souls. And the people around us are. You don’t know what’s going on because everybody has a quite a big wall up because,, that they don’t want people intruding into their pain, so to speak. But, you know, in Proverbs three five, six and seven, we like to quote that scripture, but there’s implications in what it says. And again, Proverbs three five says, trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct your paths. But then everybody forgets. Verse seven. Do not be wise in your own eyes. Fear the Lord and depart from evil. It will be held to your flesh and strength to your bones. And. When we ask the Lord to to guide us every day, he’s going to lead us to people.

Bob (00:10:43) – Maybe it’s maybe it’s just your own children because you’ve been so focused on your work and the responsibilities or the financial things that you haven’t spent time with your youngest child. Just to hear their heart and develop that relationship with them. Part of the reason for the gifts of the Holy Spirit is that you would use them in your family and and get used to that, right? With those,, with those children., we think of great things we want to do. But listen, it starts in the home. And so looking for things to do and do them starts in the home.

Ed (00:11:26) – I’m sure somebody picked up on what you just said, but you had almost like a prophetic word there, paying attention to your youngest child and hearing their heart. How what’s one way? Let’s talk about that real quick, just for the sake of the of the person listening that really wants to know the heart of their child. What’s the number one way or the a very effective way to get to know your child’s heart.

Bob (00:11:48) – Well, first of all, to me, I want to understand what is it that they like to do that just excites them? What is it? Maybe it’s something simple. Maybe it’s a particular even a video game or or whatever. But but enter their world and be with them and let them know you. You love them for who they are and what they’re doing. Maybe you’re not. You don’t like video games or whatever, but they like it. And it’s a silly little game. I mean, when my kids were growing up, they were basic video games. I mean, Atari.

Ed (00:12:28) – 2600.

Bob (00:12:30) – And but yet you just sit with them because in order you’re not going to have them tell you their heart just by talk to me, you know, tell me your heart. It’s not how they that’s not how they operate. But you have to to to show them that you’re interested in their things. And then as you’re there, maybe it’s just taking them out for an ice cream cone or a hot fudge sundae or something, and, and just and, and and hearing them.

Bob (00:13:00) – Because once they start feeling comfortable with you, then they will share. Yeah.

Ed (00:13:04) – Get them talking. You know, the Bible says Jesus taught us out of the abundance of the heart. The mouth speaks one way is, I was listening to you,, one way that I was able to discover,, my kids hearts over the years when they were young was praying with them. It’s amazing what comes out of a kid’s mouth. Even praying with my wife. There’ll be times when I’m listening to her and I’m like, oh, I didn’t know that. I didn’t know she was carrying that, or I didn’t know she was thinking that or I didn’t know, you know, whatever. My kids, how they were experiencing the world from their little perspective compared to my adult perspective, I and here at Calvary on Wednesdays we pray together. I generally sit in the same place in the sanctuary,, which means the people that also generally sit in the same area. We almost always pray together. And so there’s a couple that is up front, and also a brother that sits behind us that we almost always pray with every Wednesday.

Ed (00:13:57) – And it’s very interesting as they’re sharing their hearts, they’re not talking to me, they’re talking to God. They’re in there allowing me into their personal private life as they’re praying about different things going on in their life, whether there’s some trials or some things at work or some family things. As we’re praying together,, prayer that we we can’t neglect this spiritual discipline of prayer together and individually., that would help us to not only get our hearts out,, exposed to the Lord, to ourselves, to, as I’m listening to myself pray, but also praying with others. So that was a word. I just think I wanted to pause there., we’re not,, focus on the family and we’re not this is not a family,, podcast. But I felt like that was a rhema word for someone like that. Was this when you hear your kids hearts like, I definitely want. Especially as we’re talking about ministry,, or serving the Lord where there is a volume of activity that comes from our lives.

Ed (00:14:54) – We just talked about this yesterday is probably another topic. We can go topic. We could do topics for the rest of our lives. Like there’s always something new. But with the pastors, we talked about how ministry comes from the family, not to the family. All right. First Timothy three, just yesterday, but let’s go back to looking for things to do and do them. This is going to help you not be so entitled. Like people are not there to serve you. You’re there to serve them., there’s a proactive ness where we start this way. This is how we start. Like, oh, it’s almost like all these topics. This is how we started on, you know, we we were taking in, taking in, taking in. And we needed an outlet. I mean, I was listening to the radio. I was so eager reading the Bible,, all the time. I just couldn’t believe I’d read the Bible at work. I’d read the Bible., I was so enamored with the Word of God and I.

Ed (00:15:41) – And growing up in Southern California, there was a radio station called K wave. So all the the guys were on K wave teaching us the Bible. And I’m like, I can’t believe I just I remember it wasn’t there wasn’t like a day that didn’t go by that I was listening to a Bible study. I’m like, that’s in the Bible. That’s in the Bible. And then Pastor Jeff would be teaching something from the pulpit at our church. And I was at every service like Murray was like, do you really need to be at every service? Yes, I need to be at every service. I need to be there both services on Sunday. I need to be there Sunday night. I need to be there on Wednesday. I’m going to take a couple classes on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Like, man, I am looking for things to do, but. Over time. You know, you don’t look for things to do anymore. You’re not looking to help. You’re not looking for the single mom getting out of the car that is in the parking lot.

Ed (00:16:35) – You’re coming into service because you got your Bible and you’re ready to take notes. But there’s a single mom, or obviously a woman by herself. Maybe she’s a single mom. Maybe she’s there by herself and her husband’s at work. But the kids are all haywire. And. And the Lord, you saw them, and you know she needs help. And then you just walk in the building, like that happens like we’re here. We’re not looking for things anymore. Like. And I find that that’s a that’s a repetitive reminder that I give to the team here that this this is a habit to develop where we aren’t entitled to anything. You know, we don’t want what? What we deserve., we don’t want what we’re entitled to, if you will, the special privilege of hell and the separation from God for eternity. That’s what we’re entitled to. Because we were born in sin. We don’t want that. We want to be more effective., we I know that you’re listening to this because that’s your heart’s desire.

Ed (00:17:30) – And, you know, you’re a pastor. You’re kind of behind your desk, and you’re frustrated, and everything seems to be,, falling apart. And you’ve got this difficulty. I happen to have quite a few difficulties in my life right now as a pastor in this particular church. But one one thing that even today is,, pastor Bob and I are recording this podcast. This is an,. I’m living out this principle. Even though I didn’t mean to, I, I needed I needed to do something,, proactively instead of this reactive place I’m in right now. I’ve got to respond to this, and I got to respond to this, and I. And I’m like, no, we let’s talk about let’s let’s look to do something., we haven’t done the season in a while. We keep putting it off, keep putting it off. And you got traveling I got traveling, we got the church. We got no, no, no, no. Let’s look for something to do and let’s just do it.

Ed (00:18:20) – Let’s just get it done., let’s present ourselves to the Lord,, and be proactive. So whether it’s helping someone in the parking lot, or maybe you have a book inside of you you need to write, or you have a letter you’re supposed to send or a text message. You know, God puts something on your heart and you need to reach out to someone,, look for something to do and do it. Look for many things to do and do them. And I would say what’s helpful in the context of people in discipleship is take somebody with you. Yeah.

Bob (00:18:53) – And and you’re walking through it. I mean, when we ask God, we ask you to use us. Then you’ve got to put yourself in a place in the midst of people to be used. You can’t go out in the forest and say, God used me. I mean, what what are you going to do? Just, you know, help a fox out of his hole? I mean, come on, you have to take steps of faith.

Bob (00:19:16) – You’re asking God set up divine appointments in my life. But you, you can’t just hide away and expect things to to take place. You have to put yourself there in the midst. Jesus took his disciples with him and they never knew what was going to happen. Every single day. Every day was different. And and there were days that were just so,, normal because it was in between the, the amazing kinds of things. And in our life, God has us to walk by faith. And so there are days when you don’t even sense the presence of God, but he’s there. So you got to fall back on the truths that God has told you. And remember what he told you during the exciting times, during this sense where I really sense his his, his hand and his fingerprints. And I watched him work well, keep that in mind, because there’ll be days when it seems like you don’t feel him and it’s and you got to go back to that because you got to get prepared for what’s coming.

Bob (00:20:25) – But don’t hide yourself away.

Ed (00:20:27) – Look for things to do and do them. Let’s do something. Write out something unusual. Bob, let’s come up with ten things that we can look for and do them, and we’ll go kind of rapid fire. So I want you to think of something, and then I’ll think of something and you, and see if we can come up with ten things at the end. Don’t give me that face and don’t shake. You know, you can’t see like like you don’t see it on the podcast. But Bob’s like, what? Because. Because Bob likes some routine. He has a tendency to like routine,, as much as all the rest of us. But but let’s put ourselves like somebody sitting at their desk, a pastor, someone, a servant,, somebody that’s new to the faith and like, okay, what am I supposed to look for?, I’ll go first. Okay? Look for things to do,, look for a full trash and take it out.

Bob (00:21:15) – When you go to a restaurant., tell the server,, we usually pray for our meal., we would like to pray for you. How can we pray for you?

Ed (00:21:22) – Okay. Number three. So come early to church and walk around the sanctuary and look for someone that seems like they’re out of place. Like they’re either reading the announcements or they’re reading maybe a a bulletin that they were handed, but they’re there early as well. They’re sitting there with someone or by themselves. Look for them and then walk up to them and introduce yourself and welcome them,, asking them a question about how long they’ve been coming to church. So look for somebody,, before service,, and introduce yourself to them.

Bob (00:21:55) – Another way is,, when you’re in the grocery line and somebody behind you just has two items offer to pay for their items.

Ed (00:22:02) – Ooh, five and Starbucks or at whatever coffee shop you’re in., you could pay for your drink and then pay for the drink behind you, but also hope that.

Ed (00:22:11) – They don’t order a coffee machine.

Speaker 4 (00:22:15) – Okay.

Bob (00:22:17) – , number six,, shovel your neighbors driveway and sidewalk.

Ed (00:22:23) – That would be, of course, if you’re in a snow. We’re in a snow place, so there’s. You can’t shovel in Southern California or Arizona. I guess you can help the sand of your neighbor in Arizona. You know, move the rocks over. But here in Colorado, that’s a big deal. And also the East Coast, anywhere there’s snow., especially the snows that we’ve had that are were heavy. Like, you know, I’ve got,, my neighbor to the right. He goes to work early in the morning. So it’s just a mom and her kids. So I try to help them. And then my neighbor on the other side is a firefighter, so they’re usually gone early in the morning. So I try to help him. And then across the street,, the that brother is a little bit older, so if he’s not out and I can beat him, I’ll try to get I don’t beat him like physically but beat him outside.

Ed (00:23:09) – try to, to do that. So,, if you could help, you could help pick up trash. You could mow the lawn if it wasn’t,, if it wasn’t snow, you can mow the lawn. Okay, so here, number seven,, if you’re serving with someone in your church, like maybe an elder or home Bible study leader or even a pastor, ask them if you can go with them on their next hospital visit or something that they’re doing. Ask them,, if you can come along with them. And let me add the bonus on there. If you’re a pastor like you’re sitting, I could I could picture you right now. You’re sitting in your desk. It’s tiring. It’s difficult., you can ask somebody that you see potential in, in your church to come with you., you can, like, you just like, you know, sometimes pastors are like, man, there’s no one to serve, and I just don’t have. Oh, well, you you just need a, like, a fisherman and, like, be a fisher of men and just ask people.

Ed (00:24:04) – And then as you’re in the car with them, you’re going to the hospital with them., two by two, you’re able to get to know them and see where they fit in the body. Right? So ask somebody to come with you or ask to go number eight. Okay.

Bob (00:24:17) – . You can. Yeah., while you’re at church, you see,, a married couple, and they have a couple of kids, and the kids are real active, offer to watch their kids so they can have a night by themselves., just out. Not overnight, but but just,, so they can have a dinner by themselves and have a little time, maybe 4 or 5 hours watching their kids, and they.

Ed (00:24:40) – Should know you. So. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That’s a relational that’s going to be relational. So it’s not some random couple. But in the relationships you’ve built, maybe in a life group or maybe in a men’s study or women’s study, and there’s a relational thing where you have become friends with someone,, offer yourself.

Ed (00:24:56) – That’s a big deal. Those date nights, right? Right. That’s a big deal., number nine would be when you are hearing your announcements of your church, whether it’s video or you get a by email or a piece of paper. Still bulletin. Sign up for something., look for something to do, sign up. Is it a is there a class,, is there a opportunity for service? Sign up for it because you’re sitting there and you’re thinking,, they got a covered. They got it covered. Look, if we had a covered, we wouldn’t ask for help. So just know that we if we had it covered, we wouldn’t ask for help. So we’re asking for help. And when you hear it, you don’t know what you’re stepping into. Whether it’s just we need help at a women’s thing. The men we need you to serve or or we need help with the kids so the women can study the Bible. So sign up for something. Look. Look to the bulletin, pray over it, and then do something in it.

Ed (00:25:47) – Okay.

Bob (00:25:47) – Final one is be a greeter at your church and be welcoming for people coming in. When new people come to your church, it’s insecure. They don’t know where they’re supposed to go., they don’t know what they’re going to run into., they maybe had some bad experiences at different churches. So just be,, more welcoming because some churches can just,, end up being like a country club where everybody focuses on their own friendships and the people coming in feel out of place, awkward, unwelcomed.

Ed (00:26:21) – Yeah. Let’s let’s do a couple for pastors. So pastors are listening right now and let’s think of the pastor that’s a little frustrated right now or, or, in a position where they’re responsive to a lot of difficulties, which can really discourage a pastor, where they’re just dealing with problems all the time. I can think of a pastor that would say, I just want to teach the Bible. You know, I just want to pray. And although that’s a great desire, pastoring is tending the flock, too.

Ed (00:26:50) – It’s not just teaching the Bible, but tending the flock can be tiring. What are what are a couple of things that a pastor can look for to do and do them? I would say, number one,, look for the person that wants more and give them more., you could give them a book to read and you could follow up with them., you could take them out. To lunch. You could make yourself available by giving them your phone number so they can text you questions or. But look for literally. And here’s the thing I could already feel the I could already feel the tension. Don’t you know, Ed, I already have so much to do. I, I do know, I do know, and I’m not I’m not advocating that you create more work for yourself in that respect. What I’m advocating for is you are on your heels a little bit and this will get you off your heels. You see that brother that comes early all the time, or you see that person who just signed up for,, greeting or you see, you see it because you’re very observant.

Ed (00:27:49) – You see it. Invite yourself into their lives. They’re probably waiting for you to do it, and you don’t even know it yet. So look for somebody, give them opportunity to have access and then give them something to do. Yes. What’s number two?

Bob (00:28:03) – Well. Sorry.

Ed (00:28:07) – You should see his face right now. If we had this on video, we’re not doing it on video yet. But Bob is the man of many faces.

Speaker 4 (00:28:14) – Okay.

Bob (00:28:16) – , as a pastor, you’re looking for future leaders, and you’re asking the Lord to open your eyes to those who just have a heart, to want to be around other people and help them, and to serve. Those are the kinds of ones,, people that you you want to draw in and just give him a little more responsibility and see how they respond. Spend some time with them. I remember asking,, one fella who was a manager of a grocery chain., I said, what,, what’s on your heart? What do you see in the future? He says, you know, I always have seen myself.

Bob (00:28:54) – In the future to be. I want to pastor a small congregation in an out of the way place. Ha ha. And it was such a shock to me, but it was spending time with them, hearing their heart,, seeing how they’re interacting and and loving people and then draw them in. Don’t just say,, that’s that’s a good thing, but but actually be intentional and, and,, come alongside them and invest in them. And I have had some pastors say every time I try to invest in somebody, they move away. So what’s the purpose? Well, you’re a you’re a foster parent and and you want to be a change agent with those who are under your care for as long as you have them, because they’re not yours. And, you know, eventually they could go on but make a difference while you have them.

Ed (00:29:46) – What was those flowers? You just gave me a picture. What are those flowers that when you blow on them, the white things fly away. What is.

Ed (00:29:53) – What is that, a dandelion?

Bob (00:29:54) – Dandelion.

Ed (00:29:55) – So they’re pretty in your hand for a little bit. But then when there’s a little bit of a wind, they get blown away and they get spread out. And that’s how ministry is. We we do have a lot of beautiful people and wonderful families that we get to serve for a while. But then the wind of the Holy Spirit takes them and blows them away into a new season, new place, new fruitfulness. And it’s always a bummer when good families leave and when people leave. But it’s always, always an exciting thing too, because you get to follow along. I always tell them, stay in touch. Stay in touch because I want to hear what God’s doing in your life. I want to hear how God has used this and what one of the things we’ve adopted here. Again, it could be another topic, but we just want people to leave stronger than when they came here because they’re probably going to leave., it’s a very transient time.

Ed (00:30:40) – We live by the,, Air Force, Space Force Base now, they call it, and we get families for two, four years, and then we get to pour into them and move on. So I’m on number three., here’s something that pastors, if you want to just really step out, is as you’re driving around your community, you already know the other churches in town find a church and either here’s the easier one, I’ll give you the easier one. First, when you get back to the office, look that church up on the web and call the pastor and pray for him. Just call the pastor and say, hey, my name is Ed. I’m pastor at church right down the street. We’re co laboring in this community. Is there anything in your life right now that I can pray for you about? You’re looking for something to do. You’re and then you’re going to do it. And this is your wheelhouse. This is it you’ve been called to encourage and who knows?, imagine you,, and you already should be doing this,, with the people you already know texting, emailing all the time.

Ed (00:31:35) – I just got one this morning before I came in., Pastor Jimmy from Southern Cal. He reached out to me this morning, encouraged me., said he listened to a Bible study and said, man, that was a really good study. Thank you for it., and he reached out to me. Which reminds me,, I need to be sending things out of people that God puts on my heart. But this is unique. This is a unique one. It’s not just to the people, you know, but it’s to the churches in your community that are teaching the word that are plowing the field. They might be different than you. They might have a different approach, different perspective. But believe me, if you look for it, you’re going to find it and reach out. You might have a really cool friendship develop,, but at the very least, you’re praying and taking somebody to the throne of grace that’s in the same field. You are. Okay. One more Bob.

Bob (00:32:21) – Okay.

Bob (00:32:21) – One more is on that same idea. Develop a relationship with a pastor in the area that’s not a part of your denomination, or a part of your family of churches, and get to hear their stories.

Ed (00:32:34) – You just took mine. That’s mine. You just took mine, Bob. No, no, not.

Bob (00:32:38) – No, actually, I’m talking about taking them to coffee. You’re talking about praying with them. Okay, that’s another thing.

Ed (00:32:44) – That’s okay. It’s the next step. Okay. All right, all right. Yeah. You should see his face right now.

Speaker 4 (00:32:51) – Go ahead. Okay.

Bob (00:32:53) – So and and actually hearing their story. Don’t go don’t meet them just to tell your story. But listen to them because let them talk and and hear what’s going on. When I was over in England, spending time with vicars who were,, over parishes in the Church of England, and I have to confess, before I left a United States to go to England, my perspective of the Church of England was quite low until I got to know these guys and hear their heart.

Bob (00:33:27) – And of course, you know, there’s always some that are very in it for whatever reason. But there there are a few that are so dedicated to the gospel and keeping it pure. And they have chosen to be in that venue to be a change agent. And, and my hat is off to them because, I mean, it was just so refreshing to hear that. And it actually rebuked me for a little prejudices, because we kind of think our own little group is the best group, and we, we, we get,,, myopia, you know, or or spiritual cataracts. Yes. You know,, we just think everything’s fuzzy.

Ed (00:34:10) – , make a commitment and read a book,, read a book that you haven’t read in a while., read a book that maybe was recommended to you or is on a stack over there,, and become friends with an author., let the Lord pour into you one of the ways I love. One of the reasons I love reading books is I can interact with the author and just let him speak to me, and he doesn’t.

Ed (00:34:34) – If it’s a rebuke or it’s a correction or it’s an encouragement, I will receive it because it’s in a book form. And I love reading. And I think it was Oswald Sanders,, in his book Spiritual Leadership that said leaders are readers., and I could already hear, you know, I already have enough to read. Yeah, but this is something new like this is you’re looking to do something these, these steps and more. And maybe you have a few. You can text us or email us. You have a few things that have helped you. When you’re looking for things to do and you do them, it’s going to make you more effective. And that this last part was just for pastors because I know pastors listen in, but across the board, I know God will honor it. So we come to the end of another episode., the title of this episode or the flavor of this was look for things to do and do them. It’s a battle against entitlement or discouragement or just kind of sitting back on your heels and and having to respond to everything.

Ed (00:35:29) – This is the Lead to Serve podcast., we are in season number five and I’d love to hear your feedback. Make sure you leave a good review. If it’s a bad review, email us. If it’s a good review, put it up on there wherever you get your podcast because it helps the algorithms and gets things out. The response to the podcast is always so encouraging., we probably should do it a little bit more often because there’s always a gap in between and we lose some listeners, and then they come back and there’s another gap. But you know as well as I do, keeping up with ministry can be hard. I and this is a bonus on top of everything, because we’re pastoring a church, a local church. So that gets our priority in the podcast comes afterwards. But we’re glad that we’re able to get this season. You’re in we’re in studio with pastor Bob Clay camp between pastor Bob and me, which is pretty startling, but there’s like 80 years of ministry experience in the room right now.

Ed (00:36:21) – , but experience really isn’t as important as the leading of the Holy Spirit and a fresh word. So if you have any feedback, email me ed at Taylor. Org. Until next time. This is the Lead to Serve podcast. Share it.. Tell people about it. Give us some feedback. We’d love to hear from you. God bless you.

Host (00:36:39) – Thank you for joining us for this episode of Lead to Serve with Pastor Ed Taylor, a leadership podcast from Calvary Church in Aurora, Colorado. If you have a leadership question you want to hear answered on a Future Lead to Serve podcast, please email it to Pastor Ed at Calvary Coat Church. And if you like our podcast, please subscribe, rate or review us on iTunes and share us with your friends on social media. Thanks again for joining us, and we’ll see you next time right here on the Lead to Serve podcast.

 

 

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