Ventures of Faith: Navigating The Unknown With God
Insights from the “Lead2Serve” Podcast
Season 5. Episode 6
The Art of Presence: Lessons from a Life in Ministry
A Grandfatherly Voice in Our Midst
As the Lead2Serve podcast host, I’m excited to share some interesting insights from a recent episode that really encouraged me and our listeners. I had the honor of welcoming back Bob, a seasoned servant with 54 years of ministry experience, including church planting and mission work, to our show. Bob and I are partnering together with the podcast, and the feedback from this season has been overwhelmingly good, positive, and encouraging!
First off, a big thank you to all of you for your positive feedback and collaboration. Your engagement through sharing, reviewing, and praying for our podcast has been invaluable. It’s a testament to the power of community, and I’m truly grateful for the connection we’ve built together.
The Desire for Greater Fruitfulness
During our recent episode, Bob shared a word that God gave him for this later season of his life. He spoke about a desire for greater fruitfulness in his later years, a sentiment that hit home with many of us. It’s a powerful reminder that no matter what stage of life we’re in, we can always aspire to make a significant impact.
The Power of Being Fully Present
One of the main topics we discussed was the importance of being fully present and attentive to the person in front of us. This is especially crucial in ministry settings, where every interaction can carry eternal significance. Bob and I shared personal experiences highlighting how distractions and a lack of attention can negatively affect our relationships and interactions.
Overcoming the Desire for Recognition
Reflecting on his past behavior, Bob acknowledged the need to overcome the desire for recognition. Instead, he emphasized the importance of truly listening and engaging with others. I, too, shared my struggles with multitasking and the realization that true presence and attention are essential in building meaningful connections.
Trusting in Divine Appointments
We wrapped up our conversation with a reminder to prioritize the person in front of you and to trust in divine appointments. Walking in love and being fully present with others, regardless of external distractions or pressures, is a calling we must all strive to fulfill.
The Significance of Undivided Attention
We emphasized the significance of giving undivided attention to loved ones, including children, as a form of discipleship and a demonstration of agape love. It’s crucial not to devalue their importance by being distracted or dismissive. We also addressed the challenges of ministry, highlighting the importance of tending to people, even in difficult situations.
The Value of Paying Attention
Throughout the discussion, the value of paying attention to others and its impact on relationships, ministry, and discipleship were stressed. We encouraged listeners to prioritize the people in their lives and to approach interactions with love and attentiveness.
FULL TRANSCRIPT
Intro VO:
Welcome to today’s broadcast of Lead2Serve, a leadership podcast with Ed Taylor.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
Welcome again to another episode of the Lead2Serve podcast. My name is Ed Taylor. I’m the pastor here at Calvary Church in Aurora, Colorado. By the way, Aurora is a Denver suburb. We’re on the East side of town. If you’re thinking, you know, if you’ve ever flown into the Denver airport, we’re directly below the airport, south. And I’m your host for the Lead2Serve podcast. This is Season 5, a season that, I think, is going fantastic. The feedback’s great. The input is great. The fruit has been wonderful. So, thank you for your response. Thank you for texting and emailing and calling and collaborating with us. The way you collaborate is you give us ideas. You give us good reviews so that the algorithm will get the podcast in front of the right people. You collaborate by praying for us, by mentioning it, and sharing this on your social media, forwarding it, maybe a topic that really ministered to you. You might want to use it, discipleship-wise, with your team. There’s so many ways that you can collaborate with us, and that’s before we ever even talk. I mean, if you need help, you can email me ed@edtaylor.org. And, we have a team of men here ready to serve, ready to help, ready to encourage. Pastor Bob, he has even more time available to him. If it’s possible, he could even come out and help you at your church. Maybe do an assessment, or come and fill in for you, if you need a week off, to teach. He’s a part of something, an organization known as Poimen Ministries. So he has all this freedom when he’s not scheduled. I mean, for a guy that has a lot of freedom, he also has a very full schedule at times. So if you call him or email him, you can just contact us through the podcast. We’ll get you in contact with him and you could talk to him as well. 50 years of ministry experience through a couple different generations. He’s planted churches, he’s been on the mission field. He served, as a hippie, because he was a hippie. And had a live-in ministry at a house. Just a wealth of ministry experience. Bob, welcome to the program.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
Yeah, absolutely. Great to be here.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
You’re a voice. You’re here because feedback and you in particular. So it’s two parts of the feedback of why you’re here. One is, a lot of people wrote in asking for the conversation style to continue – they like that. And I do, too, because you never know where it’s going to go. But another piece of feedback is they really appreciated you as part of the conversation. Now, of course, I haven’t had really, anyone else on, so they really do like you, and they do. They appreciate your input, even as we do here. If you don’t know the story about Bob, he’s been in ministry for 54 years. He planted a church, handed it off to a young man in North Phoenix. He was there for 29 years, had a little gap of ministry, and then launched off into the mission field in Exeter, England, six-and-a-half years. Then he came back, and he’s been serving here on our team in Aurora for four-and-a-half years. But the way he lands in Aurora, part of the story is, I was in our team here. I was just praying, like, you know, on the way to the office, on the way back, I felt like the team was hearing enough of my voice. And they certainly do. A lot of discipleship goes on here, a lot of input goes on here. But I was praying for a particular person. And it’s interesting, there’s two people that I prayed for, both Claycamps – end up being Claycamps. One was Bob, and one was his son. But for Bob, I was driving around really asking, “Lord, we need a grandfatherly voice on our team, we need a voice of wisdom, we need a voice, an austere voice”. And just, like, maturity, and like-mindedness. Like, even though Bob and I didn’t really know each other all that much, although we met in…I went to the mission field, served with his son, but that like-mindedness, but a voice that we could all receive from, that we could all take in, that is different from mine, but it resonates with the Holy Spirit. And through a whole series of events, including a medical crisis, Bob ends up praying about leaving Exeter. And he’s praying about two locations, and one of them is Aurora. And God has led him here, and his wife Jeanne, and they are such a great addition. Even more…you know how the Bible says, Bob, that “God wants to do exceedingly, abundantly, above all we can think or ask?” I mean, it was even more. It’s what prompted was that voice, and you certainly have given us that voice, but you and your wife have brought so much to this church. It’s unbelievable. We’re so. We so appreciate you and Jeanne. Unbelievable how God has used your giftings and. And you’re a little bit older. You shared that in an earlier episode. You’re 73. In the latter season of your life, and tell us just for the sake of maybe younger guys that wonder if there’s a future for them, or even older guys and gals, tell us, because I know it already, but give us a real thumbnail of the word that God gave you for this latter season of your life.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
Yeah, I think it was in reading Alan Redpath’s book on his devotional commentary on the book of Joshua [“Victorious Christian Living: Studies in the Book of Joshua”] and just seeing Joshua and Caleb and their heart and their attitude. The whole focus was, we had been used a lot in the prior years, but the tendency is just to slow down and “chill out,” and take it easy in your latter years. But that didn’t make any sense with Jesus command to “lay up treasure in Heaven” (Matt 19:21). And so the prayer that became ours, probably in the late 90’s, it started that our “latter years would be more fruitful than our former years.” And don’t try to figure out what that looks like. Let the Lord determine, because it all has to do with His glory and not ours…it doesn’t mean a larger church. It doesn’t mean anything like that…it just means it’s up to the Lord on what that looks like because He is the one that’s in charge. Yeah.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
Do you see God fulfilling that, or do you think it’s still elusive?
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
I can see a greater measure of how He’s using us, but yet I can’t stop there. I can’t land on that. I have to stop trying to figure it out because that’s been my nemesis.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
And that’s what we were saying in the last episode about Pastor Chuck putting a place against presumption and really having this stop, this check, to make sure I’m moving forward. Moving forward. Moving forward. I always like to remind you…I always like to remind you of the fruit that I see in your life and the abundance of fruit. Although I don’t have a comparison to the previous, I don’t need a comparison because I see what God’s doing now. And one of them is this. Have you ever listened to a podcast before? Like, let’s say, five years ago? Have you ever listened to a podcast? Maybe. Maybe four years ago. Like, did you ever.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
Yeah. Yeah.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
So then think about. Did you ever think about you’d be a prominent speaker on a podcast? And yet God knew that.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
Yeah, He did.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
And God knew He would multiply part of your ministry through this technology that you weren’t even praying about in the nineties because it didn’t exist.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
Yeah. I mean, we had no idea we’d be going to England, right. It was never on our prayer list. Why would God do that when we never had it on our prayer list?
Pastor Ed Taylor:
And one of the fruitful, if I’m speaking in order here, one of the fruitful parts of the ministry was not merely the church, but all the young people you guys were ministering to in your house.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
International students. Just, you know, it looks random, but then you look back and you see the…it’s kind of like, you know, those connect-the-dot books by-the-numbers?”
Pastor Ed Taylor:
Yeah.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
You know, that kids figure out what this is. That’s kind of how it is. That’s how it was over there, you know, it’s just part of the adventure and it’s always gonna be that way.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
Yeah. Well, let’s get to the topic today. Great stuff. Just talking ministry and life together. We’re in Episode 6. And the title or the emphasis is you want to be more effective, you want to be more usable. Here’s a practical piece that is so important, and that is “you need to pay attention to the one that’s in front of you.” You need to pay attention to the person that is in front of you. There are a couple aspects of this, but let me give you one of them and then I’ll let Bob give another that we have jotted down here. But this is a…Bob, I’m sure this has happened to you because you and I have been to a lot of conferences together, a lot of pastors conferences, a lot of leader conferences, a lot of gatherings of people. And hopefully we haven’t done this, but there’s a good chance that we have. But certainly it’s been done to us and that it’s this. And I’m going to use you as an example, even though you didn’t do it to me. Say, “hey, Bob, how you doing? What’s going on? How’s your life? How’s ministry? How’s Jeanne going?” And you give me these quick answers, but you never really look me in the eye because you’re looking over my shoulder.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
Yeah.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
And you’re waiting. And, Ed, you kind of stopped me in the hallway here, and I know you and we kind of know each other, but I see Pastor So-And-So about 30 feet behind you, and that’s the guy I really want to talk to. And so, you know, “get done with your questions really quick here, because I need to swim past you.”
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
It’s so true.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
Because I’m going to try to connect with that guy and I don’t even know if I can connect to him because I don’t really know, but he’s a lot more important to me right now than you are. For whatever reason…it could be good, it could be bad. A lot of times it’s not good. And I don’t think I’m being subjective here. And you can correct me, I’m throwing it out there because this is a pet peeve of mine and it bothers me because I don’t want to be like this because it’s happened to me. So if it’s more subjective, I’m willing to hear from you. I really do think it’s objective. This has happened countless times to me where I have not…I’m in a conversation, somebody asked me a question about my life or something…I’m starting to give you my…and they’re not even paying attention to me. Yeah, and it happens all the time. But conferences in particular, what are your thoughts about that?
Pastor Ed Taylor:
Well, it’s true. I’m guilty. I’ve done it myself. And it’s just, I look back on it, I think about it. And what was the issue? The issue was my own need to be recognized. I mean, I’m guilty. I’ve done it. But then I know what it’s like on the other side. When you come up to somebody, you have a real serious issue, and they’re looking at you and then they’re looking over there, and then they’re looking at you and then looking over here, and it just makes you feel like you’re not so important.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
Right.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
And, you know, I’m taking this guy’s time. Why am I even here? And it’s not walking in love. Now, I’m talking with someone who’s communicating to you their details. Sometimes I feel awkward just staring at their face for five minutes. And so I’ve got to…I’ve got to kind of…or when I’m trying to talk, I’m trying to think, and so I’ll look up or I’ll look away. And then I watch them turn their head and try to see who I’m looking at, which is not…I’m not doing that at the time. And, so, each individual is different, and it really comes to the point where you just focus on the person in front of you and you got to trust the Lord with all the rest of it. God sets up divine appointments, and this person’s come to you. Give them your full attention.
Pastor Ed Taylor.
And I would agree that there’s a distinction between looking over your shoulder and really looking past you to want to connect with someone else or talk to someone else and just carrying on a conversation where you can’t stare at somebody. And I think there’s a distinction between that, that, if we pay attention, we can see the difference. But the reality is that the most important person in your life is the person that’s in front of you. As a pastor, as a leader, as a servant…it’s not to get through someone…it’s to give full attention, to be fully present with the person. I’ll give you an example as a parent that I made massive failures at in the early days as a parent. I would take my kids to the park. I would push them on the swing. I would climb on the monkey bars with them – while I was on the phone. As a pastor, young pastor, or even when I was working in the corporate world, when they introduced cell phones and there was some crisis. And I really did believe that “I could do two things at once,” that I could be present with my kids and also take care of some crisis on the phone, but I couldn’t. And neither can you. You can’t do two things at once. And I don’t mean that you can’t literally do two things at once. What I mean is you can’t do two things well at once. And to be fully present with my kids, yeah, it’s true. I was pushing their back on the swings, and in one way I was fulfilling that. But is that all they really wanted was a mechanical pushing on the swing, or did they want me to be there with them on the swing? Did they…and, you know, we’re not talking about my kids complaining or even holding it against me later in life. But as I’ve grown up and now I get to disciple others, this is a key. Whether it’s your kids, whether it’s people in your church, whether it’s someone you’re serving, the person in front of you is literally the most important person. I think of Jesus. I have this painting in my office where the woman comes and touches the hem of his garment. He was “thronged,” the Bible says,” with people.” There was a massively crowd. Nobody knew anybody. It was a pressing, pressing. But everything stopped. “Who touched Me?” And she received all the attention in a crowd of hundreds, if not thousands, who knows how many people were there? She received because she was the most important person in the moment. It doesn’t mean that…again, you’re listening to this going, well, “wait a minute, um, the most important person is my mom or as my wife.” No, no…we’re talking different categories here. This is not, “we’re not comparing ‘apples to oranges.’” Of course there’s value of people in your life in one category, but when it comes to serving in ministry, I’m just saying it’s “flat out.” Pastor, stop it! Stop looking over peoples’ shoulders. Stop minimizing someone’s value in front of you and pay attention to them. Get their name, get their story, pray with them, minister to them, follow up with them. But don’t look over their shoulders or over their head to somebody you think is more important. Pay attention to the one that’s in front of you. Why? Well, like you mentioned, interruptions are often divine appointments.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
That’s right. And sometimes, poor old Jairus, time was of the essence, and Jesus took time with the woman which jeopardized his situation. And there are times when people will think wrongly about the fact that, you know, or they’ll walk by and they’ll want our attention, and then they’ll come to the wrong conclusion. And you’ve got to be secure in yourself that, you know, they will think what they think. But I have a clear conscience before the Lord.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
Yes.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
And so you walk with that rather than the fear of man or what you know what they’ll think. I mean, I had people in Phoenix that came to me and said, “How come you’re so upset?” “What are you talking about?” He says, “Well, you walked by me when there’s a scowl on your face – you know, are you mad at me?” And I’m going, “No, actually, at the time, I just heard this news and I’m trying to figure out how to process this news, and I just walked by you.” I didn’t even think about it. As a leader, devote your full attention to the person in front of you.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
I want to be careful here. To clarify, we always want to be careful. Like, it’s not, we’re not talking about every single action, every single eye movement. We’re not trying to freak you out. This is the heart…when I’m discipling the guys here, I want to serve with men here…I’m trying to get to the heart of the matter. The heart of the matter is, if you care about the person in front of you, all the other things are going to follow. You can’t fake this because it’s very obviously seen when you’re faking, be caring and compassionate, it’s very obvious. What I’m talking about here. It’s just one little example. But what I’m talking about here, it is obvious. Like, it’s obvious even sometimes I go, you know, “Excuse me,” and let’s make room for the fact that maybe I’m on my way to see someone and you stop me. And I’ve got to get over there. That’s different. I mean, we’re talking, “Hey, Bob, how you doing?” “Oh, it’s great.” And then…I mean…I’ve had…I remember one. He just reminded me of one when were at a Murrieta Calvary Chapel Bible college campus conference. And this pastor, everyone would know who he is. I’m kind of nervous ‘cause I don’t really know him. And we’re talking, and we start a conversation, and, I mean, he just stopped talking and walked away and went to another person, another prominent guy that you would know. And I’m just like, “OK, I guess?”
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
I had that happen.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
It’s like, you know, wasn’t even, he didn’t even close the conversation. Didn’t even like, wind it down thing. It’s like, “I’m done with you.” And how do I know you’re done with me? Because I’m walking away without a word.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
Mid-sentence.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
That happened fairly recently, actually.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
And so when I think of that, I’m not. It doesn’t matter what other guys do. They’re not my servant. It matters what I do. And I want, and I want to hit this more often than not, I want the person in front of me to be the most important one. Right now.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
Yeah. Now let’s bring this around to the family because I’ve been guilty of this. When my wife is trying to talk to me, I’m in the middle of something and I’m trying to figure it out, and she wants my attention. And if I lose this track, then I have to go back almost to the beginning and try it again. And so, I get in trouble because I’m not a “multi-tasker.” I’m pretty much “one thing by one thing.” And I’ve had to learn to be careful how I transition. If I get upset and close the computer quickly, all of a sudden she reads it as, “yeah, I’m interrupting you, I’m sorry.” And it becomes an issue. It’s my fault.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
Yeah.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
We do have to communicate that if she wants my attention, saying, “Bob, I need to discuss some things with you. So when you have a break, can we talk?” Okay, that’s fair. But it doesn’t always work out that way. But for me, I have to devote my full attention to her because it communicates more than words. Yes, it’s non-verbal, and they communicate more than your words. Same with your kids like you were talking about – they are more perceptive than you think.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
They do. They’re very perceptive and observant. I’m thinking of an example with Marie, and these are topics I want to explore maybe in another season or later. But I have come to the conclusion there’s no such thing as “multi-tasking” and there’s no such thing as “balance.” And I have explanations for that. And peoples’ thinking, even though we use the phrase and that’ll be different topics, I want to talk about them. However, I learned this the harder way with Marie. It happened here in my office, here in the building. I’m doing exactly what you do. I’m answering email or writing something. My laptop’s open like it is right now. I’m focused on it. My wife comes in on the other side of my desk with my laptop open. I’m typing and listening to her, and all of a sudden I hear, “you haven’t heard a word I’ve said.” And I said, “No, I did hear,” and I gave back the words, kind of like how I do with Spanish. I don’t know Spanish, but if I pick up on every other word, ‘cause I do know some words, I could figure out what somebody’s saying, for the most part. And I, kind of, was like that with Marie. I picked up a couple words and come to the conclusion, and she walked over and did something that nobody else would be willing to do. She just closed my computer and she said, “Enough of this.” This was really a moment in our marriage where I needed to…if I hadn’t responded the way I did, I think it would have been worse. And she just closed and says, “I need you to pay attention to me; you cannot pay attention to your computer.” And she rebuked me in a way that was, that I needed. She was kind, but she was firm, which now I do it myself, whether it’s her. My laptop’s open right now because I’m using it for my computer and we’re having a conversation. But if you were in my office and you came in, you walk in my office and my computer is open and you’re in my office, I don’t need you to close it. I’m going to close it so that even if I didn’t, even if I could train myself to look over, I want to communicate to you.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
Right.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
That you’re the most important. You’re in my office. So, yeah, “what do you need?” I can pick this up later. And like you said, there are different times. Like, if it was office here and I couldn’t be interrupted, my door would be closed. Although now we put big windows on our doors, so now people can just stand at the window and look at me and I’m like, “OK, come on in.” But, this is very important, what you just shared, whether it’s our spouse, whether it’s each other. We communicate value by paying attention to someone, by rearranging our life, by sacrificing. And it really becomes a sacrifice where, you know what, Bob? For your wife, you’re going to lose your train of thought. So just deal with it. Right? And you’re like, “no, I don’t want to deal with it.” Exactly. That’s my flesh and the spirit. Because there’s a phrase, I know Marie’s voice. Like, I know I’ve been with her a long time. I know her voice. And I know this phrase, in a particular tone, means I’m not going to be able to sit down for very long wherever I’m at in the house. And it’s just this, “Hey, Ed.” And said a certain way, she wants some action from me. She’s going to want me to get up, go do something. I will need to give her my full…and it comes from all over corners of the house. I didn’t even know she was…I didn’t even know our house was that big! It echoes through the house. But it’s part of that. I mean, maybe there’s, again, more episodes on marriage and ministry, but it’s “dwelling with your wife with understanding” (1 Peter 3:7). When I hear that voice, I need to die to myself and give her my fullattention. Not my partial attention, because it is agape love. It is self-sacrificial.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
Right.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
It is the way of Jesus. Who touched the hem of my garment? (Mark 5:30). That’s what’s most important right now. Who touched the hem on my garment? Who needs my attention? And one of the hindrances that I see in my own life, Bob and I’m sure you guys listening in see it, too, is I measure that interruption by my needs and wants, and I don’t value that it’s important to you. I relegate, “whatever you need is less important than what I’m doing right now,” which then is a value statement on you. And you’re not important to me. It just like, it’s just unnecessary.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
Yeah, it’s practical things. It’s part of discipleship. I think those are practical points of discipleship, even with our kids, that in our discipling of our kids, we say, listen, you know, this is how we work out issues here. We don’t ignore it. We don’t throw it under the carpet. We don’t just yell at you and be quiet. You know, we work it out. We do the confrontation, do the repentance. And this full attention issue is also a discipleship issue. And, because as a society, we are such a “cancel culture,” if I don’t like you, if you offend me, you’re out of my life. And, you know, we’re just a throwaway kind of a society. And it so permeates. It’s kind of like a barking dog in the back, you know, where you go, “I don’t need this. I’m out of here.” And that’s not walking in love. You’re called to walk in agape love, not just by what you say, but your actions. The “non-verbals.”
Pastor Ed Taylor:
Yeah. Pay attention to the one in front of you. Make them the most important. You want to be more effective in ministry. The people that are in front of you…you’re not…don’t do it superficially. It’s the truth. The truth is the person in front of you. And one of the things that we try and we want to have a culture here among our leaders is we don’t make fun of people. We don’t make fun of behaviors. We don’t call names. And if we do, we repent. Like, that is not from the Lord. The challenging situations, that’s what they are. They’re challenging. God has invited us into their lives. God has given us the privilege of serving them. And, you know, think back how you walked in. You know, I remember, I am unique and weird to people, and I don’t need to be called that. I just am. I’m just unique. I’m not like anyone else. You’re not like anyone else. And so for those challenging people, this is another thing. And again, like, just thinking about all these, like, it’s so another pet peeve of mine is when pastors will get up and go, “I love the ministry, but I hate the people.” Like, get out of the ministry, bro, because ministry is people. And if you’re really saying…if you’re really saying that, “I don’t like the challenges people give.” If you’re really saying “I don’t like the difficulties.” Then say that. Don’t say you “hate people or don’t like people, I love the ministry.” “I love the easy parts of ministry, but I don’t like paying attention to the one in front of me.” “I don’t like the person that comes up all the time.” “I don’t like the person that sends me all those emails.” Stop it. Because like you, God is, like, “Don’t harden your heart toward them.” Ministry is people. Situations we don’t have to like. Difficulties we don’t have to like. But people, like, at the very least, let’s talk about them in a way that will facilitate us liking them, not distancing us farther from them.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
You know, “feeding my lambs, feeding my sheep.” That’s easy. We can just throw out information. But “tending,” is the messy work. Tending is the hard work. Tending is the work that doesn’t ever stop.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
That’s right. So “pay attention to the person in front of you,” as we come to another close of an episode. I hope this is helpful for you. It is for us. Whether it hits home right now or it’s for the future, “pay attention to the one in front of you.” Don’t look over their shoulders. Don’t look to someone more important. They are. God placed them there. Walk in Agape Love. This is the Lead2Serve podcast, my name is Ed Taylor. We pastor here at Calvary Church in Aurora. The website for Calvary church is calvaryco.church. I don’t think I mentioned it the whole season. Calvaryco.church. My personal website, edtaylor.org. Bob do you have a website? You do, don’t you?
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
Yeah, bob@bobclaycamp.com
Pastor Ed Taylor:
So his personal email, bob@bobclaycamp.com – also he was able to secure his dot com – so, bobclaycamp.com.
Pastor Bob Claycamp:
So all my messages since the late 90’s and the sermon notes are on that site.
Pastor Ed Taylor:
Fantastic. So if you want to connect with Bob and his ministry of teaching, you want to connect with him personally, please do. Our website at the church here. – calvaryco church. Remember, send us info, email us, give us feedback, give us ideas for future episodes. You can text me directly, 720-608-0012, or you can email me – ed@edtaylor.org. It has to be dot org. Until next time, the Lord encourage and strengthen and bless you as you seek to serve him.
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